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Category 9, Topic 74 Message 157 Wed Dec 30, 1987 D.KAMBER at 22:26 CST This topic is so busy that I really like the idea of a seperate 'private' topic for explicit hints. If it ever comes to be, please include me. In the meantime I need some help. I am on the 4th level (hall of champs being 1), I have found the 'short cut' and found an area with a door on either side. I have killed a LOT of worms (and needed to restore a few times as well!). I understand theer is a mummy on this level that is near the entrance to the next level. Will someone PLEASE leave me some hints/explicit instructions (!) in E-Mail that will help me find the next level? ---------- Category 9, Topic 74 Message 158 Wed Dec 30, 1987 DARLAH [RT SYSOP] at 23:38 EST Looks like there is enough interest. Send me mail on who wants to be included. I will set it up tomorrow. ---------- Category 9, Topic 74 Message 159 Thu Dec 31, 1987 H.NICHOLS at 01:53 EST MWADE, Can it (Bards Tale) and get this one. Havne't heard of anyone finishing and I'm a LONG LONG way off. Woody ---------- Category 9, Topic 74 Message 160 Thu Dec 31, 1987 J.HAND at 02:28 EST OK, I give up? The combination room that the last two messages have talked about has me going crazy. I didn't think I would ever ask for an explicit hint bit I need it now. ---------- Category 9, Topic 74 Message 161 Wed Dec 30, 1987 J.CURTICE at 23:33 PST Henry, the two buttons in that section are interconnected. The first one reveals the second one which reveals the key and other goodies. In the grave of Filius, I only found a key and I some other items. I ended up with one key and two locked doors. I skipped both of the doors and kept the key. Maybe I'll need it....Got past WHEN IS A ROCK NOT A ROCK finally. I always knew how to solve it but didn't believe myself since I was looking in the wrong place (but the solution was VERY close by...). ---------- Category 9, Topic 74 Message 162 Thu Dec 31, 1987 DARLAH [RT SYSOP] at 03:25 EST You have your private area Category 21. If youy can't get in and want in, please send me mail. I will get you right in. ---------- Category 9, Topic 74 Message 163 Thu Dec 31, 1987 M.DEVLIN [Mark] at 01:18 PST Darlah: why not capture ALL these messages for me, and I'll edit them, and u/l it as a 'hints-n-tips' file, ok with you? (I would, but I only have a 1K buffer, I think these messages would overfill it :) ) ---------- Category 9, Topic 74 Message 164 Thu Dec 31, 1987 CAPT.COOK at 04:19 EST This is amazing. A private category. PLease, someone tell FTL. OK, it's pretty late now (you can tell by my typing) and tomorrow is New Year's Eve, _but_ a convinced a friend of mine to buy this game, and in order to help him down to level three, I created a new set of characters. I will do a couple of walk throughs for the tougher doors on this level, starting with Time is of the Essence (its hard to remember specifics without replaying) and u/l them to the library area. These will be very specific, so if you want hints, capture this topic. There are plenty here. I will do this ASAP. If this is not to anyones liking, just don't d/l it (I will state very clearly in the description what the file is) OK? -C <glad to be of help for a change> C ---------- Category 9, Topic 74 Message 165 Thu Dec 31, 1987 D.FLORY [AtaribaseBBS] at 05:40 EST WOW, please let me into the DM category, I'm stuck already, but I can see that I could spend days just experimenting with magic to learn what works as my characters get more experienced. Light is pretty simple, but haven't figured out fireballs yet. Just captured the whole discussion so I should get some help from that. This is THE GAME for any computer. It is the program for which I bought my first computer and my ST, I just didn't know it. FTL should make a ton from this one as it is selling faster than the stores can get them. Hope it keeps on this way so some other companies willl be willilng to put in the time that it takes to do some more programs of this quality. I have seen NOTHING else on the ST that is of this quality. ---------- Category 9, Topic 74 Message 166 Thu Dec 31, 1987 J.M.MESA at 09:54 EST Count me in on the DM private topic. By the way has anyone figured out the CLOCKWISE and TURN BACK messages on level 10(not counting the hall) I went round and round and just couldn't figure out what to do. BEST COMPUTER GAME OF ALL TIME BAR NONE. ---------- Category 9, Topic 74 Message 167 Thu Dec 31, 1987 C.MULLER at 11:31 EST One more for the private topic... For you people still on levels 1 - 3 you might want to upload my help file. It covers those three levels and will be file #5352 when it is approved. Hope it helps you out. Level 10 beckons... Chris ---------- Category 9, Topic 74 Message 168 Thu Dec 31, 1987 DARLAH [RT SYSOP] at 11:40 EST REPEAT: Please send E-MAIL if you want in on the Private Category. Thanks!! ---------- Category 9, Topic 74 Message 169 Thu Dec 31, 1987 P.DRABIK at 14:58 EST Just got to the level with the flying SNAKE-EYES. Thats a good name for them. I find that starting over with new characters and developing them as much as possible has been a big help! One character (Leyla) has a rope when she starts. Nice to use to climb down into pits. Also found the YEW Staff. Useful for lighting and fighing. It's hidden though. I'll send mail for being in private area ... bye ---------- Category 9, Topic 74 Message 170 Thu Dec 31, 1987 DARLAH [RT SYSOP] at 15:11 EST P.DRABIK <-- your in Just wanted you all to know that C.Muller uploaded a walk through for levels 1-3. It is file # 5352 ---------- Category 9, Topic 74 Message 171 Thu Dec 31, 1987 M.DEVLIN [Mark] at 12:53 PST I have this little theory about worms: Could it be, the reason that there are SO many is that they regenerate? So, I figure, eat the rounds ASAP, and you should be safe...UNTESTED THEORY , though! Use caution! ---------- Category 9, Topic 74 Message 172 Thu Dec 31, 1987 B.J.S [bjs] at 18:54 CST Could someone tell me how to ressurect old bones? I'm tired of getting deep into a level and having to re start from the last saved game because I don't know how to ressurect anyone. Please reply to category 21 if you don't want to leave the hint here. Thanks in advance B.J.S ---------- Category 9, Topic 74 Message 173 Thu Dec 31, 1987 L.NOVAK at 20:06 CST Wow, I was hoping to get some help, but it seems that I am way ahead of the pack. I am down in level 12 and 13 (not counting the H of C). That is the bottom folks. There is this big dragon creature down there! I have the IR key and have fused the firestaff to the power gem. Now I am stuck!!!! If anyone knows how to complete this fantastic game please HELP me. I need some sleep bad. Here are a few hints.... It takes three RA keys to enter level 6. The IR key is on that level with some nifty looking stone golums (can't kill em). I would like into the closed category also. ---------- Category 9, Topic 74 Message 174 Thu Dec 31, 1987 D.FLORY [AtaribaseBBS] at 21:25 EST (It's early on in the game.) To save someone else the trouble of spending the time trying, I thought that maybe I'd be able to go back to the hall of the champs and select another person when one died (I had the idea of tranferring weapons from one party letting them die and then getting another) but it doesn't work. You have to ressurect them. Someone, I think it was Henry, left a tip about wuuf having the highest, mana rating. I don't know if this is the highest but it higher than wuuf, Tiggy Tamal has a 36 Mana max at the beginning. Some kind of magicer Now if I could just figure out anything besides the light spell, or get off of the level below the hall. This one Hell of a game. It's obvious that you could play it forever, even after completing it once, the variety of persons you could have is fantastic. After you get bored with four people then try with progressively smaller groups. Now if anyone ever finishes with one champ, I'd love to watch that game. (gonna try Henry??) ---------- Category 9, Topic 74 Message 175 Thu Dec 31, 1987 P.DRABIK at 22:33 EST Thanks Darlah! It appears that the catagory is for ANY adventure game help, not just DM right? Therefore, new TOPics need to be started. How should we break this down? ---------- Category 9, Topic 74 Message 176 Thu Dec 31, 1987 DARLAH [RT SYSOP] at 22:48 EST The new Category can be broken up to topics of specific games. Go to it! ---------- Category 9, Topic 74 Message 177 Fri Jan 01, 1988 H.NICHOLS at 01:34 EST D.FLORA, Tiggy's in may party and her mana is up about 50 (I think around 55). Counting the hall of champions I'm currently on level 4 and having a ball. I also started over once and was more careful about picking party member (which has mad a difference). Woody ?s ---------- Category 9, Topic 74 Message 178 Thu Dec 31, 1987 J.CURTICE at 23:41 PST L.Novak, can you give me some tips on how to kill those water monsters and those things that look tike a bunch of branches holding an orb. Can't seem to kill those creatures. ---------- Category 9, Topic 74 Message 179 Fri Jan 01, 1988 W.WAKEFIELD at 02:19 PST I have just uploaded a list that I have compiled of spells for Dungeon Master. It will be file number 5358 when it is approved. I do not guarantee that the list is complete and I do not know what all the spells do but it is close. ---------- Category 9, Topic 74 Message 180 Fri Jan 01, 1988 D.FLORY [AtaribaseBBS] at 08:32 EST Yes that was the starting value, I have her up around 50 now myself on the 2nd level. I have found those blue guys hard to handle, guess I'll have to settle for using the gate to squash them. Anyone want to leave me a message (e-mail) re what you do with a magic box? ---------- Category 9, Topic 74 Message 182 Fri Jan 01, 1988 ERGABELER at 14:49 EST M.FETTES......I have left a list of the spells I am using on Cat. 21. Lets hope others will add to my list. Darlah........Thanks again for the special hint category. I'll bet you will soon begin this quest and will also bet you have to resort to Cat.21! Thanks again! Regards Roland :^) ---------- Category 9, Topic 74 Message 183 Fri Jan 01, 1988 TRAUMA [Sandy] at 13:46 MST Dave - with the magic box, put it in your action hand and go from there. ---------- Category 9, Topic 74 Message 184 Fri Jan 01, 1988 JM.YANG at 17:06 PST Anyone help!!!!! I've been playing this game for about two weeks now. I think I've almost complete the game now. I think I took care of the Dark Lord since I don't see him anymore after I zapped him with the Firestaff. I've even killed the dragon! (was that fun!!!) Now I'm stuck. I can't seem to get out of the 13th and 14th level. Heeeeeeeellllllp. I think I've solved all the puzzle along the way with the exception of one unopen skeleton lock so I'll be available to give hints etc. Oh and Darlah, please let me into category 21. Thanks. ---------- Category 9, Topic 74 Message 185 Fri Jan 01, 1988 L.NOVAK at 20:08 CST Everyone congratulate me now. I completed this great game tonight! CLAP CLAP. I feel better now. To the hints section! ---------- Category 9, Topic 74 Message 186 Fri Jan 01, 1988 ERGABELER at 22:15 EST HEY Darlah.... Was m.Barry correct in his estimation of interest in establishing a 'specific hint' area? Roland :^) ---------- Category 9, Topic 74 Message 187 Fri Jan 01, 1988 JM.YANG at 20:29 PST Thanks L. NOVAK for the E-Mail. About the dragon, I just keep throwing fireballs at the sucker untill it goes kapuut. By the way, have you ever invoke the Firestaff. A powerfull weapon that Firestaff. It has an endless arsenal of fireballs, poison gas, and dispell spell not to mention what it does to the skill lever of the user. Thanks again. Now I can start over with a different party. Great game!! ---------- Category 9, Topic 74 Message 188 Fri Jan 01, 1988 L.NOVAK at 22:33 CST JM.YANG I emptied a lightning sword on the dragon and fired at least 10-12 6 level fireballs and he just kept on coming! I tried everything the firestaff had to 'offer'. By the way, how many tourquise keys did you find? I must have spent a day combing through the tomb of the firestaff level looking for something that I thought I missed. Agree that it is a GREAT game. Glad I could help. ---------- Category 9, Topic 74 Message 189 Fri Jan 01, 1988 DARLAH [RT SYSOP] at 23:45 EST Your all in....and yes he was right..lots of interest in Cat 21. It is not exclusive to Dungeon Master though. All game topics can go in there for detailed hints. It depends on your interests. ---------- Category 9, Topic 74 Message 190 Sat Jan 02, 1988 CAPT.COOK at 13:23 EST Jeez! Darlah says "If you want access to CAT 21, send me EMAIL. And what do you all do? Leave a message on the BB! No wonder you can't get down there, didn't cha see the arrows on the walls? You folks gotta learn to follow directions! <grin> -CC PS: The previous message was intended as a goof and not meant to offend anyone, and just to prove it, Darlah, I'll not be left out in the cold, can I get access to 21? Oh, and I hope everyone survived their New Year's Eve celebrating. I did, barely (two days later and i can finally work a keyboard again). ---------- Category 9, Topic 74 Message 191 Sat Jan 02, 1988 DARLAH [RT SYSOP] at 16:41 EST Dear Mark...those will be deleted today. I am in the process of uploading library listings and have not been off since the wee hours. Will get to it as soon as I can....now if I could just be 4 people <smile> ---------- Category 9, Topic 74 Message 192 Sat Jan 02, 1988 TRAUMA [Sandy] at 15:24 MST Naw...you just need 4 phone lines, 8 computers.... ---------- Category 9, Topic 74 Message 193 Sat Jan 02, 1988 DARLAH [RT SYSOP] at 17:35 EST Today I feel like I am a character in a game piece..ever feel that way?? Automated...maybe that should be FTL's new game. ---------- Category 9, Topic 74 Message 194 Sat Jan 02, 1988 HTCOLONNA at 19:06 EST Darlah, please DON'T let me in on the new Cat! Thanks I just got back on vacation and look at this topic! Whew! Someone said Tiggy had higher Mana than Wuuff. This is true, but it's only a bit more, and Tiggy is ALOT harder to keeep alive. IF you can keep her alive she'd be a good choice, but I still prefer Wuuff. ---------- Category 9, Topic 74 Message 195 Sat Jan 02, 1988 DARLAH [RT SYSOP] at 19:11 EST No problem Henry...Hope the vacation went wel and hope you had time to play a little DM ---------- Category 9, Topic 74 Message 197 Sun Jan 03, 1988 GREEN at 14:24 EST Can someone tell me if in the treasure rooms (level 4) the room with the blue mist at the entrance how to get into the room without being thrown back by mist? In every combination of movement thru the mist the best I get is to move to one position and then the mist throws me back to the entrance. I did get the mirror from the mist but I can't seem to get into the room. Also, in the riddle rooms (level 5) I cannot get to the key behind the gate There must be some trick I'M missing! Thanks for any help or hints. ---------- Category 9, Topic 74 Message 199 Sun Jan 03, 1988 RED.STAR at 16:22 EST 'Ello, How do I get past the flickering area to the chest on Level 1? It's right near the "None shall pass" door...ple ase leave mail if necessary, especiqally since I doubt I will have time to read another 100 messages here... ---------- Category 9, Topic 74 Message 200 Sun Jan 03, 1988 CAPT.COOK at 16:37 EST RED.STAR No one has gotten through that force wall. The chest has some nice treasures in it. <HINT!> GREEN - That treasure room was wierd. I found the mirror and a poison dart, and I spent a lot of time trying to negotiate it. As far as I found, there is no way through the mist - it fills the whole room. Using the compass helps... -CC ---------- Category 9, Topic 74 Message 201 Sun Jan 03, 1988 STACE [RT SysOp] at 17:15 EST Hmm...maybe this will help! Darlah will NOT let you into Catagory 21 unless you request to be allowed in by E-MAIL!!!! Mark ---------- Category 9, Topic 74 Message 202 Sun Jan 03, 1988 HTCOLONNA at 17:18 EST CAPT COOK - you wouldn't have the directions written down for navigating that room filled with the blue force fields, would you? If you do, would you type it up and send it to me? I don't NEED it, but have this naggine nagging need to do EVERYTHING> If not do't worry about it, I understand it isn't worth the effort really. ---------- Category 9, Topic 74 Message 203 Sun Jan 03, 1988 J.M.MESA at 17:20 EST I need help with the very end of this game. I have done all the pertinent things including getting the firestaff and fluxcaging the lord of chaos. What am I supposed to do now! Do I have to go back down to level 1? If so, I can't seem to find the exit down from level 12(only exit I can find is back down to 13[not counting Hall]), all of them seem to have disappeared. Any help would be greatly appreciated! ---------- Category 9, Topic 74 Message 205 Mon Jan 04, 1988 B.HILTY at 02:11 CST Darlah let me into topic 21 please..thanks.Bhilty ---------- Category 9, Topic 74 Message 206 Mon Jan 04, 1988 J.M.MESA at 20:46 EST Wow, finally finished this great game! I thought the ending left something to be desired, although I won't give away anything. Let me know how you felt about the ending(the ending is one of the things I liked most about SUNDOG, another FTL product). B.T.W. if you need any hints or just outright answers to certain puzzles, leave me some E-mail. Happy hacking! ---------- Category 9, Topic 74 Message 207 Mon Jan 04, 1988 MAI at 19:08 MST Darlah, please let me into topic 21. Thanks, ---------- Category 9, Topic 74 Message 208 Mon Jan 04, 1988 CAPT.COOK at 22:05 EST Henry - Don't have all the directions, but will send what I have. I experienced a character rollover (I hope) last night. Very disconcerting I had an Artisan fighter, who turned into an Adept fighter. No loss of statistics, so I think that Artisan is highest, and if you do better, you return to Adept to build again. Didn't work with it that much, has anyone else experienced this? -CC ---------- Category 9, Topic 74 Message 209 Mon Jan 04, 1988 HTCOLONNA at 22:50 EST I can't remember seeing ADEPT before. Maybe Adept is higher than Artisan. ---------- Category 9, Topic 74 Message 210 Mon Jan 04, 1988 RED.STAR at 23:01 EST I figured out the the blue wall w/chest..thanks... *DOES ANYONE know what the lever is for in the room on level 1 which has a door that is operated by another lever? This is the room with the sword on the floor... Just wondering...haven't found a use for it yet... Also, I seem to have a bit of trouble killing those rock creatures...is there a spell I can use on them? (I found good way to kill them without getting experience, but I would rather earn my might.) Speaking of might...how do I cast my influence? my might? Thanks! RED.STAR ---------- Category 9, Topic 74 Message 211 Mon Jan 04, 1988 D.KAMBER at 22:43 CST CAPT.COOK - since ADEPT doesn't appear as an earlier level, it would seem that it is higher than ARTISAN rather than a rollover. What makes you think its a return to a lower level?? ---------- Category 9, Topic 74 Message 212 Mon Jan 04, 1988 M.DEVLIN [Mark] at 21:19 PST Yea! Adept is another word for "Buff dude"!!! ---------- Category 9, Topic 74 Message 213 Tue Jan 05, 1988 D.ANGUS4 at 05:50 EST Please let me into the private DM hints area thanks. ---------- Category 9, Topic 74 Message 216 Tue Jan 05, 1988 HTCOLONNA at 21:17 EST Stace - didn't help (grin). ---------- Category 9, Topic 74 Message 217 Tue Jan 05, 1988 CAPT.COOK at 22:14 EST Major <blush>. Didn't adept come after neophyte? Guess not. Henry -> I was thinking, that room with all the blue mists. There is a passageway visible that I never got to. Wonder if anyone did? Been having fun on level 8. I gotta SAVE after everything I kill. It seems tough to me. Is there a way past the fireballs trap? -CC ---------- Category 9, Topic 74 Message 218 Tue Jan 05, 1988 HTCOLONNA at 22:41 EST I must say that it's a PAIN to realize what level you are on and what level others are talking about! I knew something was bugging me about this game...and when I read Captain Cook's message about Level 8 and I tried to start counting in my head, I realized that it was annoying me that you don't know what level you are on ever, really, except for reliance on your memory. CC, there is a way past the fireball trap, if you are where I think you are. "What's underfood is soon overhead" or something like that?? The solution is easier than expected - a combination of the ever-present pressure plate manipulation with the quick movement idea first expressed in "time is of the essence". OOPS what is underfooT not food, grin....my characters have lost some weight and I've been obsessed with food. ---------- Category 9, Topic 74 Message 219 Tue Jan 05, 1988 COREY [COREY.COLE] at 21:29 PST Henry: I can understand the obsession with food -- my first-created party explored half of the second level ("Choose a Door") and most of the third (purple worm) level on Stamina potions. Finally got to the point where I could kill the purple worms fast enough to have a net gain in food instead of a loss. Having just finished that level (I'm not "pushing" to finish the game the way some people seem to be!) they're thrilled to see that for the first time in a long time nobody is in the red or yellow on food. They even have a Worm Round (sounds disgusting, but like I say, they've been starving) each. Given the choice between a vorpal blade and a couple of drumsticks, I think they'd take the latter! Interesting point on role-playing: This same party missed several of the puzzles on level 2 (didn't find the key in the Vault, for instance). When Lori and I created a new party composed entirely of spellcasters (in order to experiment with spells), we solved the puzzles with no problem. Just required more intelligent characters, I guess! My vote for the ultimate adventuring party would be Hisssaa, Daroou, Wuuf, and Tiggy (two beaters and two casters). Get the front-rank fighters to cast Ful and Vi spells at every opportunity, and pretty soon they'll have plenty of Mana too. I'm running a slightly more balanced party, and probably won't get around to experimenting with this. (Current party is Hisssaa, Elijah, Tiggy, and um, one of the other shorties (not Boris) (can't remember his name). They're doing well, but Daroou would have made our front rank more powerful. ---------- Category 9, Topic 74 Message 220 Tue Jan 05, 1988 COREY [COREY.COLE] at 21:36 PST Capt.Cook -- I haven't tried to map level 4 yet, but futzed around with it a bit. I *did* manage to get to the passageway beyond the blue mists room. Take a tip from the text adventure games -- every time you get to a new location in the mists, drop a different item (make sure you drop it, rather than pushing it forward into the mist). This lets you see whether you've already been to a location, and will also let you make a "map" -- a state transition diagram, really. 'Course, we'd dropped half our weapons and armor by the time we got to the other side, but you can't have *everything*, you know! ---------- Category 9, Topic 74 Message 221 Tue Jan 05, 1988 K.BISHOP at 21:51 PST Hey...Looks like I finally got a "first": What's worse than being eaten by worms/running into your own fireballs/etc. etc. etc.? Give up? It's starting to play DM and have the drive shut off after 3.7 seconds dead dead dead! My DM disk just ate it. Am I the owner of the first official dead DM disk? Copy protected disk stike again. I mailed it back to FTL today so at least I'll get to report on how quickly they mail out replacement disks. The moral of the story is don't become emotionally involved with a copy protected program. When the sequel comes out I'm going to wait until the copy programs catch up with it before I get into it. Sad & POed Rick ---------- Category 9, Topic 74 Message 222 Wed Jan 06, 1988 D.FLORY [AtaribaseBBS] at 01:55 EST Capt. C. - neophyte, apprentice, journeyman, craftsman, adept, GOD?? I don't know about anything over journeyman my self but sounds like this is the sequence. s ---------- Category 9, Topic 74 Message 223 Wed Jan 06, 1988 J.M.MESA at 19:44 EST try expert and master which is the highest level attainable Happy Hacking! ---------- Category 9, Topic 74 Message 224 Wed Jan 06, 1988 CAPT.COOK at 23:54 EST Henry - Got two of my characters through it (took two fireball hits) Will keep at it. I know what you mean about levels, after the third, I have a real hard time remembering what level I am on. So is there anything worthwhile beyond the blue mists? I am out of range of returning to it, so I was just wondering. -CC PS: Anyone attach any significance to the various necklaces/rings? I can see no effect. ---------- Category 9, Topic 74 Message 225 Thu Jan 07, 1988 HTCOLONNA at 00:53 EST I'm having a terrible problem finding the next B KEY after the ZOOM part of one of the levels. (Anyone familiar with that area? It's the first one I picked, sigh). VERY VERY HARD. Does anyone have a map yet for this area? For those who sent me 18 EMAIL messages today, I will respond soon. I don't have the time tonight. ---------- Category 9, Topic 74 Message 226 Thu Jan 07, 1988 D.FLORY [AtaribaseBBS] at 03:34 EST Hmmmm, those skill levels sound remarkably similar to Union skill levels, Been around for quite a while, wonder if my hero/ine will ask for a raise in compensation when they get to the adept level or up. ---------- Category 9, Topic 74 Message 227 Thu Jan 07, 1988 STACE [RT SysOp] at 13:34 EST My hero/ines just went on strike. They refuse to go on till I promise better working conditions, an 8 hour day, and profit sharing. ;-) ---------- Category 9, Topic 74 Message 228 Thu Jan 07, 1988 RED.STAR at 20:08 EST Can someone help me out- How do you cast your influence and might? (level 2...) Don't look down on me because I'm only on level 2, I've had a total playing time of about 7 hours, and that includes trying to figure things out when first got it.... Leave me E-Mail if necessary. Thanks, Red Star ---------- Category 9, Topic 74 Message 229 Thu Jan 07, 1988 HTCOLONNA at 20:51 EST I have gotten to the level past the level with the crazy "B KEY"s. That includes getting through the crazy "TURN BACK" section. The problem is that I only got through 1 of the doors that needed a "B KEY". There are about 2 or 3 other doors next to the one I chose. Can you get through those IN ADDITION to the 1 you choose? It doesn't seem like it considering how long the maze was in the place I chose. There are even some other doors right past the "ZOOM" section in the beginning of the "B KEY" section I chose. I can't get them open, either. It's a tough area to map (I hate to map) and magic footprints don't last very long. Sigh. Can anyone help with this area? ---------- Category 9, Topic 74 Message 230 Thu Jan 07, 1988 M.CHANDLER at 21:28 EST To Dungeon Master Gamers (smart people!), Will someone E-mail me some answers to a couple of questions? I am having problems at a couple of different places. First of all, I dneed 2 more keys (I think; I already have 1) to open up the Felstaff doors. I have searched quite a bit for extra keys, but am unable to find them (have lots of coins and regular keys!). I guess I am in need of locations on where I can get these extra keys. I found the first on one pretty early in the game. Also, I am having problems at the "Test Your Strength" area. This is the spot where when I try to walk through, I bounce back! And problem number three. When I try to go to the next level I am met by a few ghosts. I've tried poison spells ( I think that worked on the first one early in the game) but nothing seems to kill them. I am able to do any spell I wish (I have the power!!) but can't seem to figure out what to do with these goons! Also, if anyone is interested in near the level of progress I am, and wouldam and would like to DELETE LINE 16. Also, if anyone is interested in doulbling up and working together via E- mail (I am assuming that someone is just as, or not as far as me) let me know. Two heads are better than one! One comment on this game. This is about the first adventure game that has not either bored (and depressed) me to tears, or I have just given up on because progress was limited to buying the dreaded "hint book". I believe this game sets new standards! Is the game of the year (for 87 and 88!) to me!! Matt Chandler E-mail = M.CHANDLER p.s. I've tried catagory 21 for help, but have not gotten any responses. ---------- Category 9, Topic 74 Message 231 Thu Jan 07, 1988 CAPT.COOK at 21:42 EST RED.STAR - Cast your influence, cast your might. Hmm, two logical steps. The word cast has two meanings, yes? One of which is pertinent only in a fantasy world and one which applies to our real world. Use both meanings, in that order. Will EMAIL specifics if so desired. -CC ---------- Category 9, Topic 74 Message 232 Thu Jan 07, 1988 M.DEVLIN [Mark] at 21:48 PST Finally got my ST back (getting 1 meg)...Haven't palyed DM in a while, guess I better get back in the swing of things... ---------- Category 9, Topic 74 Message 233 Fri Jan 08, 1988 M.HAND at 20:19 EST Mark Devlin--- Was that pun intended???....(...swing of things......as in sword...) Ouch! Anyhow, in various messages, people have discussed the Prisoner Mummy... It's been mentioned (or at least implied) that there is a way to open the gate without killing him....HOW??? Every time I've tried, he's died. At this point, I enjoy the extra exercise involved, but I'm curious how not to kill him.... Hints, Specific help in Cat 21 or E-mail would be greatly appreciated. Thanks! Marc ---------- Category 9, Topic 74 Message 234 Fri Jan 08, 1988 RED.STAR at 20:27 EST CC- Thanks, that helps a bit. I'll try it tonight. Is there a spell that will work good on those "rock" creatures? (level 2, still exploring) Thanks, RED.STAR ---------- Category 9, Topic 74 Message 235 Fri Jan 08, 1988 CAPT.COOK at 20:37 EST I have heard of a Weakness spell that works on the rock squid (as someone so aptly named it -- ever think about the names you subconciously give these creatures? You assume everyone knows what you mean.) I don't know it. I know a spell that is supposed to weaken non-material beings. Maybe it works on rock thingies too? -CC PS: Anyone besides me get hopelessly lost as soon as you passed "Choose a door?" At one point I got into the "Clockwise" puzzle, and finally had to reboot. I got to a chest, and I know where the stairs are, its just that there are several tons of rock between me and them. Finally had to suicide. Also, I've mentioned this before, but, does anyone know the use/effects of the various necklaces? Also, do the various magic items ever "run out?" 'nuff questions -> snow got me out of work early today, and it's too hairy to go out drinkin' so I guess its me and D M tonight! ---------- Category 9, Topic 74 Message 236 Fri Jan 08, 1988 HTCOLONNA at 20:45 EST AHAHAHAHA!!! That puzzle is EVIL EVIL EVIL, capt. COok. VERY EVIL! TURN BACK is -----not------ some fake warning, but an IMPORTANT HINT!! ---------- Category 9, Topic 74 Message 237 Fri Jan 08, 1988 STACE [RT SysOp] at 20:55 EST Just a note...rumor has it that FTL will be online here on GEnie soon! Mark ---------- Category 9, Topic 74 Message 238 Fri Jan 08, 1988 C.MULLER at 23:00 EST I've found the poison cloud to be VERY effective against the rock creatures. Chris ---------- Category 9, Topic 74 Message 239 Fri Jan 08, 1988 HTCOLONNA at 23:17 EST I've found POISON CLOUDS to be somewhat effective against a monster way way down - a monster that NOTHING else seems to touch - I do mean nothing. Just use those poison clouds when in trouble.... ---------- Category 9, Topic 74 Message 240 Sat Jan 09, 1988 J.CHINNOCK at 13:52 EST John Carter, thanks for taking your time out to make the maps of the DM levels 1+2. It has helped me alot as I'm sure it's helped everyone else. ---------- Category 9, Topic 74 Message 241 Sat Jan 09, 1988 M.DEVLIN [Mark] at 11:38 PST M.HAND: That pun wasn't intended...(guess I'm just funny when I don't think about it///hehe_ \ ---------- Category 9, Topic 74 Message 242 Sat Jan 09, 1988 H.NICHOLS at 17:05 EST Capt. Cook, I've found two things to work, the poison cloud - if your mana can hold out - or the method I used most of the time - lure them under a gate and close it on them - turns them into bolders - it is time consuming but always seems to work - the metal gates work best but the wooden ones work but it takes a little longer. Woody /exit ---------- Category 9, Topic 74 Message 243 Sat Jan 09, 1988 M.DEVLIN [Mark] at 14:36 PST Does anyone know the use of the ZOKATHRA spell?!?!? (the word is the Word of Creation, that I DO know...but that's from legends, not DM) ---------- Category 9, Topic 74 Message 244 Sat Jan 09, 1988 D.FRUCHEY at 17:40 PST I'm stuck on the level of Kings trying to get past the "TEST YOUR STRENGTH" force field, also, there is an alcove in a maze area that opens into a passage when activated by a floor switch. Can't get past this one as every time I remove weight of party from switch it closes the door. Lord do I love this game! - Please leave me E-MAIL. Thanks. -Dan ---------- Category 9, Topic 74 Message 245 Sat Jan 09, 1988 D.FLORY [AtaribaseBBS] at 22:05 EST I've found that Rock Squids can be killed by any decent fighter or ninja character by simply moving forward hitting with club or sword and jumping back right away. Of course you have to keep in a position where you can move. Has anyone figure out what the Poison potion is for? I tried to take it one night to suicide my remaining hero so I could restart and couldn't. I speculate somewhere where it could be thown into somebodies mouth? Maybe a large purple worm? I haven't met them yet. I keep going back and changing by party. Think I'm finally satisfied as I'm at the end of level two with 2 boxes of food and everyone fed and watered and healthy, ready to take on the worms. (Of course it helps if you can weaken the rock squids before you bash 'em but you can't always do this.I really like the blue guys. Last night was the first time I really just sat and watched them. Always before I was so busy fighting, or casting spells I didn't appreciate them. They seem to have web feet and tentacle tongues. Great artwork. While chatting with a guy in New York, he mentioned the possibility of capturing DM on a VCR. Can you picture it in 10 years? DM in the holoroom with players exchanging adventures. Even multiplayer, online DM with characters displayed as holos, full size in your living room. Each player commanding a holo character, and some people choosing to be the monsters. More than one party in the dungeon and you can fight the other parties as well as the monsters!!!!!!!!!! Oh my god I may go nuts!!!!!! Where's my rapier?? ---------- Category 9, Topic 74 Message 246 Sat Jan 09, 1988 G.BEANER [Lee] at 23:06 EST Here's a point of interest. I have an adept fighter in my front duo with a rapier and this combination(adept & rapier) plays Hell with the rock creatures. The rapier has a selection on the action listing of usage called "jab". As you know your character, after striking a blow, takes awhile to recover for his next blow. With jab this recover is almost instantaineous, so all you do is center your mouse over the rapier at the jab position and click the button. This gives an effect slightly akin to a machine gun. Your character does get hit and he might get poisoned but he walks thru these beasties like Moses walking thru the Red sea. Good Luck. ---------- Category 9, Topic 74 Message 247 Sat Jan 09, 1988 M.DEVLIN [Mark] at 20:47 PST I thought that dude parted the Red Sea (grin) Dave: Poison p[otions are thrown... ---------- Category 9, Topic 74 Message 248 Sat Jan 09, 1988 PIONEER at 23:47 EST Ok, I'm stimied for the first time in DM - on the sixth level, the room on the right on the corridor after the room of riddles, the one with the pit and the teleport field - how do I get that damn key? Also TEST your strength I don't get - please PLEASE send E-mail. Thanx Pete S.